In Assassins, one of the now infamous Left Behind books (my apologies to amillennialists and non-dispensationalists everywhere), the Anti-Christ, Nicolae Carpathia, addressed a massive crowd in a stadium overseas and spoke of unifying the world. He skillfully "hyped" the crowd that was unwilling--or unable--to discern who this man really was or what he was really up to. He was a rock star; a super star. I thought about this scene when I saw clips of Barack H. Obama address the masses in Germany about a month ago. They just ate up his rhetoric like it was free non-tooth decaying candy. Now, for all the possible similarities and parallels, Obama is not the Anti-Christ (cf. Daniel 7, Revelation 13, 2 Thess. 2, Matthew 24). We know this because we REASON from the Scriptures. To reason is to think or argue in a logical manner; to form conclusions, judgments, or inferences from facts or premises. Indeed, the RAW part of this Blog (Raw Views) stands for Reason and Worship. The Bible admonishes us to do both, and without TRUTH, both are at least shallow, if not, impossible.
I will be frank: the main purpose of this blog--at least for this season--is specifically to present my views relating to Barack Hussein Obama, especially from a theological and Christian Worldview perspective. (In fact I was thinking of calling the blog, Obama Raw) Such a perspective you will not get via the popular media (whatever that is). This is not a pro John McCain blog. It's not a pro Republican or Conservative blog. So don't say, "Oh, Yeah? What about McCain or Bush or Sponge Bob Square Pants?" It's not about them. It is simply a who-is-this-guy-Obama exposé. I am not an expert, nor do I pretend to be. I simply want to join the forum...chime in on the discussion. I will make the same claim that Paul made to Roman Governor Festus, "I am not insane...what I am saying is true and reasonable.
I am beside myself as to how so many people are drawn in by Obama simply because he is black, or young, or a good speaker, or smooth, or whatever. Not necessarily bad reasons to be drawn to someone, but to be chosen President of the United States...? I will end this brief entry with a quote from Adolf Hitler which has arrested me since I first heard it, "What luck for rulers, that men do not think." COME NOW, LET US REASON TOGETHER...DO NOT BE AFRAID!
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After reading:
"the main purpose of this blog--at least for this season--is specifically to present my views relating to Barack Hussein Obama, especially from a theological and Christian Worldview perspective" in your blog,... I was looking for those views. I guess it will be in later installations of the blog. Do we have to pay for a subscription?
I am glad you are opening a dialogue to get Christians to apply their faith principles.
A spin on the Hitler quote you had in there would be the Devil regarding elections => Good for his plans that Christians do not think!
To many elections I see Christians just vote on party lines or only One issue - the scare tactics of "we must overturn Roe vs Wade" that is emphasized by the visible religious speakers on radio and TV. (You know the one issue that Jesus emphasized during his ministry time on earth - .... not!)
Christians need to look at all the Christian Values and how it is affected by the parties platforms. Not one issue, Not Personality, Not the personality of the running mates.
Here is a link to a thought provoking Christian Values voting guide. http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=action.VOP&item=VOP_download_form
As Joel is emphasizing - we have a duty to read this and Dialogue. I challenged a few leaders to tell me what Jesus said that he came for and emphasized as important in his words and actions during his ministry time on earth. They were unable to give me the right response. So I challenge you to search the scriptures for yourselves (hint - it is the same thing God emphasized in a rebuked to the religious leaders through the prophet Isaiah) -
I have to admit, I am one of those people that after hearing Obama speak and how smooth he is and how he has the masses believing in him and even to a point worshipping the ground he walks on, had me thinking, could this be the Anti-Christ. Could this be the man that comes in and has everyone believing everything he is saying and that he will make this world a better place to live than what we have now.
It just seems too obvious and a bit scary as well.
Your quote from Hitler "What luck for rulers, that men do not think" is so evident of the people of today. Those that are just voting for Obama, because he is black and not looking at all the facts. They are blinded by the fact that they assume he is who they want him to be.
I made a comment to a friend of mine that is Pro-Obama. I stated that people need to look at this election seriously, that taking it lightly will be their the start of their demise. (I know that sounds drastic, but I believe to be true) People in the ghetto, based on my conversations and research, have this mentality that Obama is their savior. That he is here to right all that has been wrong in their lives. But I warned him that Obama, is not Al Sharpton nor Jessie Jackson, he is not concerned with the aggression of just one race, he is focusing on all people. He wasn't raised in the ghetto nor does he understand ghetto life. Obama stated in an interview that he is not running for office for just one race, he is running for everyone, and with that mere fact, people need to truly look at this election and get all the facts straight and make a concrete decision based on who this man truly is rather than what the color of his skin is.
As Christians, we must stand up to what we believe, and protect all that God has instilled in our country and lives.
IN RESPONSE TO BROTHER RAY:
Thanks for your comments, brother. I really do appreciate your thoughts, and they were smart too. You're smarter than you look! LOL
Yes, my Obama views will be prsented in future posts. This was more of an intro.
The abortion issue (Roe vs. Wade) is indeed not the only political issue. I know that. Thing is, those who support abortion...excuse me, I mean, those who are "pro choice," often also happen to support many other immoral issues. Almost always. More on that later.
I completley agree with you that Christians need to think. Hence my blog. Christians need to really think. They should look at all the issues and study multiple sources. Incidentally, the supposedly Christian voter guide you gave is pretty disingenuious. It is but a liberal publication trying to sound godly. Just because the “poor” issue gets raised, doesn’t mean it’s coinciding with Jesus. Judas tried that and Jesus rebuked him. So we really need to look beneath the surface. The guide states that we need to “defeat terrorism without preemptive war. War has become a first resort instead of the last resort.” Insinuating that in Iraq, war was a first resort. That is just a boldfaced lie. I won’t go into otheer issues on the liberal guide because it would be pages long. I guess since it doesn’t even mention the murder of 42 million babies that abortion is an issue that God cares nothing about. Abortion is apparently only an issue for simpleton fundamentalist Christians. God only cares the poor.
Greetings...
Are you open to an alternative view from a so-called "liberal", "Bush/Jesus hating", "mindless Obama follower"?
If so - I am open to a discussion with you.
TheOne
http://throughthebs.blogspot.com/
Dear THE ONE, I am certainly open to your thoughts and comments so long as they are respectful. Thanks.
Joel
Hey all, saw the reference on Dave's site. Wow, right out the gate "Barack Hussein Obama". So much for being open minded
People are drawn to Obama because ha has Charisma. He is probably one of the most charismatic speakers in politics. His race age and color have very little if anything to do with it. He is not the anti-christ, or Hitler and you are right the masses are stupid. It has nothing to do with Obama. It has to do with the fact that they they do not vote on on the issues and because they supported Bush twice as if one stupid voting mistake wasn't good enough. He is not a Christian he is an idiot that uses the cover of Christianity to justify his idiotic actions. I'll take the Pro-Choice smart guy who reads and uses reason with all of his decisions any day.
Obama is indeed charismatic and well spoken. Who could debate that? He is not Hitler, but Hitler was extraordinarily charismatic -- that didn't quite work out, did it? Fidel Castro was also quite Charismatic -- nuff' said. Charisma does not qualify someone to be President. Any intelligent person knows this. Why would Koplah praise and justify Obama's Charisma and then state that it's about the issues? Make up your mind. I am not supporting Obama, but I could make a better case for him than most of his "supporters." All I hear them say is "Bush is bad," or "Obama sounds good." Kinda like Koplah did. If he should be President, would someone please make a legitimate, intelligent case for him?
Incidently, calling Bush an idiot is disrespectful and only proves ignorance and anger that he was smart enough to be our President twice.
Listen guys...I have been reading all your great comments and all of you have great points..but I am more confused than ever in my decision not that it takes much LOL but how can you actually believe that with Mcain in office this going to change anything that has been going on in the last 8 years and then you have a liberal like Obama who as a Beleiver i cant really support even though he would be a fresh new change. I may not be as articulate in my writing or opinion but as a father who is worried about his family..this is really one tough decision. May God grant me the wisdom to make this choice.
Hitler was not extrodinarily charismatic. He was just charaismatic. A person who seized the moment and consolidated his power once he got a hold on it. Castro I agree, he is charismatic and what do you mean you rest you case. It's not like Batista was better and it is still debateable as to whether or not he has been good for Cuba. I wasn't praising Obama's charisma as much as I was pointing out an obvious fact that seems to be a stike against him in this circle. Bush is an idiot, and any one who supports him could possible be considered an idiot too. Not disrespectful, a scientific observation and pretty much confirmed by the last 7+ years he has been in office. He wasn't smart enough to be our president twice. Cheney, Carl Rove and the people who surronded him were smart enought to out manuever the other party twice. I should be angry with Bush and his administration and anyone who isn't has not been living in America for the last 7 years. The case for Obama being president is simple, it is because he can. Just like you can and anyone who was born in this country can. the reason you should vote for him has to do with his policies. Now JoelRaw if you still don't know his policies since they are on his website and are also on just about every news website then let me know because I will be more than happy to send it to you.
TITO: My position on this is simple. What is more important to your ability to take care of your family?
Lower taxes, college tuition credit, healthcare premium credit, advancing green technology, bringing jobs back into the US, regulating the finanical markets again...
or
stopping someone else from having an abortion? stopping a gay couple from getting married or whatever other social issue troubles you about Obama.
I ask you when you pay your bills, take your child to the doctor, etc. has any of this been improved in any way over the last 7 years by having a president in office who claims to agree with your social issues?
I would be willing to bet they haven't.
In response to Koplah and The One:
Koplah proves that when a liberal expresses himself/herself, they will eventually show their arrogance, hypocrisy, ignorance, dishonesty, anger. While the blog is not about Bush, let it be known that I do support him...and I'm not an idiot. And I know what Obama says he will do; anybody with a search engine or who reads or follows the news knows his rhetoric. I also know lots about him that neither you nor the liberal media will address because they know it will sink him. He would never have a chance...and that's the truth. This is why we know about Governor Palin’s uncle’s, daughter’s, cousin’s, husband’s, pinky ring size, but very little about Obama’s tie to terrorist Bill Ayers or his Rezco dealings.
Obama? Lower taxes? Impossibility. Not in his worldview. That's a guarantee. As liberals are socialists, they need tax revenue to strengthen government. Cf. Karl Marx.
Healthcare Premium Credit? Green? Sheesh.
Tito, just do your own homework. The One is obviously does not support a Christian Viewpoint.
Yes, abortion, homosexuality, terrorism, that all affects me and my family. More that "going green." As if you really cared about going green. Had "idiot" Bush been President when they first attacked the twin towers, my aunt (family) might still be alive today because he would have dealt with it properly. This is why Middle Eastern tyrants support the democratic ticket. It's called evil. Yes, these social "wastes" as you feel they are, are immensely important.
And to end, since I am obviously a fundamentalist simpleton, just let me be clear: I believe in God the Father and that He created the heavens and the earth and everything in it. I am a believer in Jesus Christ, and that He is Lord of lords and King of kings. That he was crucified in the flesh and rose in three days. I believe the Bible (all of it--ALL OF IT). I believe in the Holy Spirit and that he is in me and around me and omnipotent and is part of the triune Godhead. I believe that there is a real, tangible enemy called the Devil (or Satan) that the Bible calls the prince of this world and he has great influence in our society. I believe that he was defeated on Calvary and will be cast into hell for all eternity. Oh yeah, I do believe in hell. I believe in worship, prayer, and the Ten Commandments. I am a worshipper of Jesus Christ, and believe in the Gospel with all my heart. Sorry if this bothers anybody.
I am not actually a liberal, I am a realist an independent in fact. I could also so the same thing about conservatives or at least those who claim to be since I know a few arrogant, hypocritical, dishonest, and angry ones myself and as it turns out one happens to be running for president. The reason I do not call myself a liberal is because I am not liberal on all matters just like I am not conservative on on all others. I am in the middle like most Americans. I find it hard to believe that you have damning evidence about about Obama that you will not share and no disrespect to your thorough and reliable sources but why haven't they informed the RNC? Why wouldn't they promote these supposedly underhanded dealings. It would be better then the lies and embellishment that are coming from the McCain camp now. Perhaps they cant be substantiated or proven.
I am sorry to hear about what happened to your family during the terrorist attacks but there is no reason to believe that the second attack would not have happened had Bush been president during the first attack. His administration has made bumbling error after error and we are now supposed to believe that he would have actually done a better job? His current record has proven otherwise, after all we still haven't caught the people responsible in the last 7+ years and our airports are not much safer then they were back them. Lets be serious.
The fact is it doesn't matter to me if you are a Christian or a Muslim or anything else as long as you respect your fellow man and respect his or her right to believe as they chose as long as it doesn't infringe upon your rights or beliefs. I think what TheOne was saying to Tito was to not let the many distractions on either side fool him. To Pay close attention to the issues that concern him and vote on that. If you have an issue with Obama supporting a women's right to chose think first about does that affect him personally and to also think about what women have done in the past when it was illegal. The government couldn't stop it and we ended up with a lot of dead women and infants during that period.
The problem I have with self described Conservatives is that they constantly say that smaller government is better and the government should stay out of peoples lives but yet they expand the size just as the other side run up deficits and tell people that they have to believe as they do. That is not democratic that is dictatorial.
Koplah, that was a good response. Well thought-out and expressed. And you didn't even have to call the President any names. That's awesome! Seriously, if discussions go in this direction, both of us might actually learn from each other, or at least, understand where we are each coming from.
My "devil" comment is not an oversimplification, but one that would require another forum or venue to fully develop. Others reading these comments will understand, but I don't have the time to go into every idea expressed here. Feel free to confer, however, with Psalm 139:13, 1 John 3:13, Revelation 12:9, 1 Peter 5:8, John 15:18-19, John 8:42-47.
I could respect your opinion of the "legacy of the leaders of this country." We could actually park here and have meaningful conversation. It just bothers me when all I hear is "Bush is and idiot," etc. If we could get past the insults and anger, we could indeed make progress.
What may be an oversimplification is "if you do not believe in abortion...don't have one. If you do not believe in Gay marriage then that is good...there is no risk of you entering into one and risking your salvation. But what does that have to do with every other person in this country?" I think once upon a time in the south, people shared that paradigm: "If you don't want a slave, simply don't have one." Or perhaps a baby being killed in the womb: "Don't worry little Johnny, we are all going to sing "Imagine" and yank your little body out in pieces. We have rights, your mom has rights, it’s just that YOU DON'T." Is it illogical for a Christian to feel the need to defend the unborn? Of course it isn’t.
Many Christians also believe, as I do, that homosexuality matters to a society as a whole, and especially to the innocent who will suffer, children. We believe that God will not honor a society that does not adhere to His principles in this regard. Again, that is for a Theological debate later.
Koplah, while I would love to see everyone come to Christ, because I believe he is truly the hope of the world and the Lord of eternity, I do not wish to impose my religious beliefs on anyone, and I do not do so. I do believe that on most matters, including the economy, etc. my views and my worldview coincide with conservative principles. I do have “Republican” imprinted on my shorts or on any bodily tattoos—indeed, I was raised a Democrat. However, as I grew older and looked at things honestly, my belief system adjusted itself. I certainly don’t believe McCain or Palin or Bush or Ghandi or Reagan is the answer to our world issues. Simply put, Obama’s views do not align to mine, and I believe that it would be a mistake to elect him as our leader. I would like that to be respected without being insulted.
You say, “Every major advancement this country has made has been due to the open-minded individual saying I have a right to live as I see fit.” I don’t know about that. Perhaps, depending on how you interpret that. What I do know, is that a biblical worldview is chock full on most of our founding documents and founding principles. I believe that God will bless a nation as He sees fit and as He and His precepts are respected.
Not at all my Brother, not at all.
But I do wanna hear why Obama's followers support him and please do not say "because we need Change", that is already old, I need a clear reason why, that is all. All I hear is the same thing, that McCain can't do this, that Bush hasn't done that, that doesn't answer the question as to why you support Obama. That would be a great tag on my site. LOL
www.talkbringshope.blogspot.com, sorry Joel had to plug my own site. LOL
David.
I have posted comments on why I support Obama, they haven't been released to display on this blog.
Since your blog is free posting, present the question on yours, we will surely respond.
again..the one and Joel have stated there opinions well but they have yet to really say why the like and dislike both candidates. If this a blog about politics then lets have the facts on why Obama or Mcain should be elected based on there policies not there belief. Listen.. I have been a believer longer than i have been into politics and my beliefs are strong but i am a person who wants facts not ramblings. I would like the facts so that i can make a educated decision not one base on emotion or belief.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree because it is debatable as to when an unborn fetus is considered viable. This however is not why I am pro choice. I am pro-choice because just as I believe that you have a right to worship as you desire a women has a right to determine within a reasonable amount of time whether or not she should have a baby. As to what is a reasonable amount of time, well again that is debatable but the law is clear. Pro-Choice is a way to provide a safe heaven for women who chose to go through with this procedure. It is not my place to judge them just like it is not your place to judge them. It is between them and who they believe is their creator, same thing goes for homosexuals. I believe that they should be able to collect death benefits visit a loved one in the hospital or collect health benefits just like the rest of us. What goes on in their bedroom is again between their significant other and who they believe is their god. Homosexuality is present in every aspect of nature from single cell organism, to plant life, to even mammals. It is arrogant and naïve for us to believe that humanity is the exception. But of course as good Christian I understand that it is your duty to try and persuade them to change their life styles but after they refuse or tell you that they cant I do not believe that the government should step in and start denying them their rights. Now I also understand that marriage is traditional and religious in nature, fine, but it is also a union that is recognized by the law. Therefore there should be something similarly observed by the government to make sure that all of it's citizens receive the same benefits under those laws or else it is a violation of their constitution rights just like slavery. The government believes that it is not okay to have an abortion but yet it executes, assassinates and wages war against people that also results in the lost of life am I the only one that thinks that there is something wrong with that.
As far as our government what most people often fail to realize is that in addition to some Christian principles our constitution is based on British Common Law, French Liberty and Fraternal as well as Greek and Roman philosophy and both of those cultures were pagan during their apexes. Those Greek city states, the birthplace of democracy were all pagan cultures. Since you didn’t post every ones comments I am not sure who said that “Every major advancement this country has made has been due to the open-minded individual saying I have a right to live as I see fit.” I do agree however, and I am pretty sure that some where Christians just like some were Atheist. I personally believe that based on America’s foreign policy alone god would not be too happy with Americas government. Pre-emptive wars, support of tyrants and dictators, the spread of weapons and propaganda. Jesus was a pacifist. If the meek will inherit the earth then our government will be its first casualty.
David, I support Obama because other than Carter and it is debatable as to whether or not Stagflation was his fault the economy has done better under the democrats since FDR. I too support some regulation in business. The idea that companies will regulate themselves is absurd. They will regulate themselves about as much as a kid will regulate her hand going into the cookie jar. I also think that it is time for a new perspective in Washington. I like the idea that Obama will be willing to talk first and invade second unlike our current President that used the military settle a score. Even if it was for oil is that worth invading a sovereign country. There are just as many horrible people around the world that we let live in peace. I also think that the middle class does need a tax cut. I also believe that he will do a better job than McCain in harnessing other forms of energy. McCain has been in the Senate for nearly 30 years and never even mad it an issue even though it was clear after the oil crisis of the 70s that this was something that we had to deal with. McCain also did everything that he could to make sure that Arizona did not celebrate Martin Luther King Day after all other 49 states did. I like the fact that although Barrack is a Christian that chooses to observe the most basic fundamental principal of our constitution which is the separation of church and state. That language was put in our constitution for a reason. The framers knew what happens when one religion imposes its will over the masses all they had to do was look at Europe and how they treated Jewish people and yes I am talking about the 18th century, yes, they were persecuted even back them. They also looked at Rome under the rule of the Papacy. I also like the fact that he was community organizer how many other candidates other than Hilary can you say actually went into a community and helped increase voter registration, helped feed the poor or helped those same people navigate the social service bureaucracy or helped the unemployed find jobs. Who would know more about struggle and adversity than a kid who was raised by a single mom then later by his grandparents, an admitted drug user who straightened his life and went to Columbia, then to Harvard Law School, graduated top in his class, Then State Senator then US Senator and then out maneuvered two Washington heavyweights on his way to possibly being the president. I like the fact that he gives long winded thought out answers, gives a good speech and is accepted around the world. Since when is that a liability? David it almost seems as if you are getting upset with some black people for wanting to support their own. I don’t condone that way of voting but I understand. But many people vote for people who look like them, speak like them, come from where they are from which explains why the candidate usually wins his home state. Whether or not it is a man or a women and even whether or not he is a Christian or a Catholic which is the very reason that we have a separation of church and state and checks and balances. You said “he is running for everyone, and with that mere fact, people need to truly look at this election and get all the facts straight and make a concrete decision based on who this man truly is rather than what the color of his skin is.” Based on this quote you are saying that Obama is trying to be a uniter, a populist candidate but yet you shun him for not agreeing whole heartedly with your interpretation of Christianity even though he too is a Christian. Why David, how hypocritical are thou.
Tito, I will say (write) again what I said (wrote) in my first entry: "This is not a pro John McCain blog. It's not a pro Republican or Conservative blog. So don't say, "Oh, Yeah? What about McCain or Bush or Sponge Bob Square Pants?" This is exactly how some have commented because there is really very little we could draw from Obama’s record. That is not necessarily a knock, it’s just a fact. He doesn’t have much experience, so therefore, the first defense is, “How about Bush?” Bush isn’t running for President. But I digress.
My blog is simply a who-is-this-guy-Obama exposé., and posting some issues that you will rarely--or never--see in the regular media, regarding Obama. Especially from a Christian or Theological perspective. And I do understand that Christians also have different opinions and views. That’s great! I would love to hear from them so that we could sharpen each other and perhaps consider things we otherwise would not have otherwise considered. You will be able to read some posts here on the blog (and I do thank you for chiming in), and then research on your own to find truth. Just be careful with your sources. I will comment on some of the postings that TheOne and Koplah have posted recently later. Even with those, you will have to determine if your worldview aligns with theirs, or with another. Incidentally, what they often claim to be facts -- are not. I will be posting some blog entries that will provide some info. From here on in, however, I will concentrate on my posts, not answering all these comments. May God bless you and your awesome family!
Gentlemen and Ladies:
With all due respect, when life begins is not as debatable an issue as Koplah presents. Science defines “life” and gives specific criteria as to when it begins. People debate this just as they debate whether people are born gay (or whether God made people gay), quite frankly, for expediency. Otherwise, when does the “fetus” become an actual human being? Incidentally, opponents of abortion cannot say human, baby, or child, just like they cannot say pro “abortion;” only pro “choice.” Fetus is a “thing” so it sounds better. “Choice” sounds better because they won’t call it what it really is—terminating a life.
2nd, the when life begins “debate” is irrelevant to the baby in the womb with arms, legs, and organs. It is absolutely irrelevant for a 6-9 month old child being delivered via the partial birth procedure. OK, so what if life doesn’t begin at conception? How about when a baby is born after a failed abortion and is alive? “In 2001 and 2002, then-state Sen. Obama vigorously opposed a bill which defined very specifically when babies get human rights. The Born Alive Infant Protection Act (BAIPA), both the federal and Illinois versions, conveyed legal personhood to infants who accidentally survived an abortion.”
As that baby is a human, I believe that baby has a “choice” whether or not they should live. Plenty of media showing unborn babies screaming or writhing in pain as doctor’s instruments are inserted into them tells me that they would have preferred to live. Amazingly, liberals apparently have little problem with this, but God forbid we drill for oil in a place where the lives of animals might be affected.
Trying to justify scientifically that homosexuality is predetermined, is ludicrous, and no where proven, as unbiased research will show. It is really, really, really, really, obvious when one considers the clear biological make-up and genitalia of males and females, as well as the entire reproductive system that men are not meant to be with men sexually. If I happen to find the same screw that was used in a Hummer as in a Volkswagen to hold up the rear view mirror, it isn’t proof that they are the same car. The differences are obvious. Keep looking.
Jesus was not a pacifist. Jesus was not a pacifist. Oh, and Jesus was not a pacifist. This is bad theology.
My friend Koplah wrote: "I like the fact that although Barrack is a Christian that chooses to observe the most basic fundamental principal of our constitution which is the separation of church and state.” I think what Koplah likes is the fact that Obama is a Democrat and not a Republican. He writes, “The most basic fundamental principal of our constitution,” this is a ridiculous lie—I mean error. How could something that is not even in the constitution be “the most basic fundamental principal of our constitution?” “The phrase separation of church and state is generally traced to a letter written by Thomas Jefferson in 1802 to the Danbury Baptists, in which he referred to the First Amendment to the United States Constitution as creating a "wall of separation" between church and state.” Here is exactly what the Constitution states: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
Koplah wrote: “The government believes that it is not okay to have an abortion but yet it executes, assassinates and wages war against people that also results in the lost of life am I the only one that thinks that there is something wrong with that.” Once again, as documented in my original post, I quote Proverbs 17:15
“Acquitting the guilty and condemning the innocent— the LORD detests them both.” The point is innocent vs. guilty. This is why Exodus says, “You shall not MURDER.” Thus, liberals like Obama have trouble with capital punishment—of guilty people—yet he is Pro CHOICE/ABORTION of innocent babies.
By the way, Koplah, not everyone who says they’re a Christian, is a Christian, as you know. It’s funny though, how you would dare say that Bush is not a Christian (judge him), but Obama is, because you like what he says. You, however, are not the standard and neither am I. There are essential Christian tenets that actually form the foundation of the faith. I will not judge Obama because only God truly knows the heart and at what stage of understanding an individual may be. But his beliefs, such as that there are many ways to get to heaven or that there is no hell, are not in line with essential Christian doctrine and the major tenets of the faith. Now, we are not electing a preacher or theologian this November
Once again, I am spending too much time commenting on some of these comments—I just don’t like it when people say things that are not fully true, and then go unchallenged. No matter how pretty you put it Koplah, the fact that Obama was a community organizer, and that you think that is one of his qualifications for President, is quite humorous. That said, I am going to (try) to concentrate on the posts from here on in. Most of ya’ll are intelligent enough to discern when you see comments, which is why so far I have published them all. Just be diligent; especially you who claim to be Christians. Solomon writes, “Buy the truth and do not sell it; get wisdom…and understanding.” Jesus said, that he was “the way and the truth and the life.” And that “No one comes to the Father except through me.” Obama disagrees. That doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be president, it just means his Christian beliefs are shallow and incomplete. I mean, that is one of the pillars of the Christian faith. It doesn’t mean that he shouldn’t be president, but Koplah writes that he likes the fact that he (Obama) is Christian.
Wow, not a bad rebuttal but flawed on many levels. I will explain. First of all, I said never said anything about having and abortion between the periods of 6 to 9 months make sense. I said a reasonable amount of time and I believe that many people even others who are pro-life would agree with you on that point. I then went on to say why I was pro-life which you conveniently omitted from your response. Please refer to my last comment for clarification. Obama opposed the Bill you referred to because it opposed the decision that was rendered in Roe v. Wade. He also said that if it had been worded differently then perhaps he would have supported it. He like I believe that a women should have the right to choose as long as it is within a reasonable amount of time which is the most basic principal of Row v. Wade. The government should not tell a woman what to do with her bodies. The when does life begin debate is not irrelevant because this is the very issue at odds. The question is when is a fetus viable outside of the womb, which is why many states have put a deadline as to when you can have the procedure. As far as homosexuality is concerned this is where I believe religion falls a little short just like the lack of an explanation for the disappearance of dinosaurs. Homosexuality is present in every organism from the single celled organism to mammals and this is a scientific fact. Anyone who has ever had a dog can attest to that. Obviously, same sex intercourse will not lead to procreation but this does not mean that it isn’t a genetic anomaly that affects some humans just like it affects, insects, mammal, plant life and other organisms and their hasn’t been anything written in any religious text to dispute this or even logically explain it. I’ll give you the one about Jesus not being a pacifist because even though he lived a non-violent life he never actually said that there was never a time for violence be he did however speak openly against the religious and political rulers of his time because they were not seeking a righteousness from God, but rather of their own making (Luke 20:1-2, Romans 9:31-33). This sounds eerily reminiscent to the mistakes of our current administration. Do you think that Jesus would approve of the way that they have governed?
I really do not understand you point concerning the reference to the first amendment “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” By the very fact that Thomas Jefferson a framer of the constitution and the author of the declaration if independence talks about a wall of separation gives this common held belief credence. Every Supreme Court, congress and presidential administration of the last 200 years have upheld this very principle, this is tangible evidence that it is an implied law of the land. Just because you can pull a quote from the constitution does mean you understand its full implications or its intentions. There have also been many political and constitutional scholars who have written about this implication and just about all of them agree as well.
I have never said that Bush is any less or more Christian than Obama. I couldn’t care less; I was simply referring to his none Christian like policies. The issues I have with Bush have nothing to do with his faith it has to do with his policies and how he has governed over the last 7+ years. He uses his faith to justify many of his actions and I question his reasoning and justification, as I should as an American and citizen of the world because they affect me. A Homosexuals bedrooms forays do not.
Finally, I never said that because Obama was a community organizer that he should be president. AL Sharpton was and still is but I do not believe that he should be. I said that the sum of his experiences which includes community organizing is some of the reasons that he should. You also miss quoted something else that I said. “I like the fact that although Barrack is a Christian that chooses to observe the most basic fundamental principal of our constitution which is the separation of church and state.” The point being that he is a Christian who will not impose his beliefs on me. That is the implication and intention of your constitutional reference. Also, could you tell me where you read a quote by Obama that inferred that he disagrees with “Buy the truth and do not sell it; get wisdom…and understanding.” Jesus said, that he was “the way and the truth and the life.” And that “No one comes to the Father except through me.”
Koplah, I made those comments because I believe that we will have poeople voting that have never voted before. Look I am from the ghetto, I have best friends that are from all races. I have heard all the cries about our government and how change is needed for years from all races. On how if a Black man ran for president that the blacks would vote for him just because he is black. If a Spanish man ran for President I will not vote because he may look like me, I will be voting because of the values that he beholds and what he truly stands for and if I feel that that is good enough for me to believe that he will be the better person for the position. I made those comments based on the fact that people need to truly investigate as to who these two men are and make a valid vote based on that, not based on their color and that is all. That IS being ignorant. If my comments offended you, then you need to look at them and ask yourself why. What if people only vote for McCain because they feel that Palin is HOT and they want to see her in office, and I have heard those ignorant comments. Obama stated on his own in a TV interview that he is not running for one race, he is running for all, so I was not being hypocrytical, I was making a point, that he is not focusing his comments only to one group of people, he will not take care of only the black community, but those that are voting just because he is black, think that way. That he is their Savior. In my book their was only one Savior and man alone can not bring us through all of these hard times. Obama will not have all the answers or solve all the problems.
I have my beliefs and I follow after the Bible and no matter what Obama thinks the Bible should say now or how it shoudl be related to our times now or what he has do say or do to get votes, being a Christian does not mean bending for the masses so you can be liked or so you can get the votes, being a Christian means standing by what you believe, standing by the bible (the official word of God) and not waivering against it because society has chosen to go a different route.
I am not here telling you how to live your life or judging you for the way you do live your life, I am telling you what I stand for (Against Abortion, Against Gay Marriages) because that is what God stands against and yes I will live my life the way God demands.
But I will not sit by and vote a man into office that professes one thing but believes another.
And I never said that McCain was perfect, I am responding to your comments about my comment.
Koplah, please identify "what a reasonable of time" would be. And who are you to judge the women who believe other than you. It is their bodies, after all.
What is there not to understand? The Constitution says what it says. That's it.
First, let me say that, I did consider the thought of Obama being the Antichrist. But my bible says, “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” Therefore I’m going to worry too much about it and just try to live as it might be tomorrow.
Now, I continue to hear how the problems of this nation is all Bush’s fault, Bush is an idiot, Bush did this and Bush did that. Well it’s been a long time since I’ve been out of school but if I remember correctly, the President is entitled to recommend legislation, but his success at seeing his agenda enacted depends on Congress and I believe that democrats have the majority of our 110th United States Congress.
As for Obama, this man has come out of nowhere, has no experience and people are rallying around him because the media have made him out to be the answer to all our problems. Can you really trust a man to be President of the United States of America that will not salute the flag?
First of all Mr. or Ms. elnegron the idea that Obama is the anti-Christ is ridiculous. What is your criteria for even coming to this conclusion. He is not the most popular person to run for president nor is he the least experienced. Reagan was more well known and more popular while Lincoln had no government experience whatsoever, he wasn't a vice president, a governor, a general or a Senator. In fact, he never even served in a presidential cabinet but yet he is considered one of our greatest presidents.
Secondly, Please excuse me if I sound condescending but it is pretty clear that you do not understand our government. The democrats have only had control over the house for 2 years. They only have slightly more than a simple majority in the house and a simple majority in the Senate. What this means is that they do not even have enough votes to prevent a filibuster let alone override a presidential veto which would require three fourths majority. The deregulation that we are now seeing the effects of was enacted before the democrats took power. So please learn the facts.
This is what happens when you put religion in politics (please read my comment after the article):
Mayor 'just curious' if Obama is antichrist
By STUART WATSON / NewsChannel 36
SWatson@WCNC.com
Posted: Sunday, Sep. 28, 2008
FORT MILL, S.C. -- Fort Mill Mayor Danny Funderburk says he was “just curious” when he forwarded a chain e-mail suggesting Democratic Presidential Candidate Barack Obama is the biblical antichrist. “I was just curious if there was any validity to it,” Funderburk said in a telephone interview. “I was trying to get documentation if there was any scripture to back it up.”
Funderburk apparently sent the e-mail from his business account at Gastonia Sheet Metal where he works as a business agent.
The e-mail, which has circulated in the last six months since Obama secured the Democratic nomination, claims the biblical book of Revelation says the antichrist will be in his 40s and of Muslim ancestry.
There is no such scripture. And Obama is not a Muslim. But that hasn’t stopped the e-mail.
The urban legend Web site Snopes.com first exploded the myth in March. Funderburk forwarded the e-mail this month.
When asked if he believed Obama was the antichrist, Funderburk replied, “I’ve got absolutely no way of knowing that.”
Funderburk said it “probably does give that impression” that he believed the e-mail was true “but that was not my intent.”
The mayor said it was a mistake not to include a subject line when he forwarded the chain e-mail.
“I am curious about current events and their connection to the Bible,” he said.
My Comment:
The funny thing is that book of Revelations doesn't say anything about Islam since Islam didn't come about for another 500 years after the book of Revelations was written. The sad thing is that people will actually beleive this idiot.
Koplah, I really am glad that you are part of this blog discussion. I really am, but sometimes, you are a little cocky and freely try to pass off your OPINIONS as if they are fact, or sometimes, it just seems you make stuff up, dawg!
How could you say that Lincoln (a REPUBLICAN) had no Government experience whatsoever? Before he became President, he served four successive terms in the Illinois House of Representatives and later became a leader of the Illinois Whig party. In fact, he began his political career in 1832, at age 23, he was 51 when he became President—do the math. True, he had no executive experience, neither does Obama, Biden, or McCain. Sarah Palin does. And incidentally, if she ran for President against Obama, I would vote for her.
You are pretty condensing when you claim that elnegron does not understand our Government. Do you?
You should also admit that the problems our country is currently facing is not the product of George Bush’s seven years. There was a Liberal president before him who did little to prevent things we are facing today, from terrorism, to the economy. And we know that Barney Frank and many Democrats take great blame in much of what we are seeing today. Oh…“The top three U.S. senators getting big Fannie and Freddie political bucks were Democrats and No. 2 is Sen. Barack Obama.”
We all know Obama is not smart enough to be the Anti-Christ, but if you want to debate the issue, don’t use a silly comment/article, you will have to do a serious theological/biblical study. I do agree with you that sometimes we Christians are a little ignorant on the Anti-Christ issue.
Koplah,
Apparently you have lost track of this blog, I believe the title is “Obama Is Not the Anti Christ”. Now please read my comment, I never said Obama was the anti Christ, I said I considered the thought.
As for me not understanding our government, again I say read my comments. I was commenting to the fact that everyone is blaming one man (Bush) for all our problems, again I say that congress is as much to blame.
You are too quick to answer and are not really reading, read the article you posted, it states “just curious”. Please check your facts and recheck them before you quote them
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